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2:14 am October 18, 2009
| trev
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Post edited 7:35 am – October 18, 2009 by trev
Yes Meta- thaere's a lot of in depth research going on in the BB area. As usual ,in nature, stuff near to poisons is implicated- I believe there's significant cyanide in apple pips and no one's died from that yet -[I think].
The iron connection is strong, and been discussed on here before.
I think men particularly have this excess Fe problem due to holding on to too much, unlike women during their lifetime.
I suppose someone suffering from anaemia would be a good control in this- as small changes in Fe uptake would show up quickly.
Incidence of people with anaemia + gout* would be an interesting check!
* throws up good overview of Gout anyway : http://www.medicine.ox.ac.uk/b…..tintr.html
and this comment about increased risk factors
[ from http://www.health24.com/medica.....,11830.asp ]
“Underlying diseases with a high turnover of cells (cancers – especially blood cancers and haemolytic anaemia) “
shows at least one particular type of anaemia is not mutually exclusive with gout.
All the same , this from your link:
“ Black beans also contain several antinutritional compounds (enzymatic inhibitors, haemaglutenins, saponins and phytic acid, etc.) “
-shows that they have a potent ability to inhibit nutritional pathways
- and we all know that this is a favourite 'culprit gateway' in Gouties' minds!
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10:33 pm October 18, 2009
| metamorph
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Trev,
May I know how you edited yout post?
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4:11 am October 19, 2009
| trev
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Post edited 10:42 am – October 19, 2009 by trev
Meta, Once you have posted anew -you should see an 'edit' button in the posts upper control panel. [In place of 'Send PM' button]
I think it's time limited- so don't delay too long.
If you're not seeing this option try using Firefox browser as an alternative- it is kept up to date and it's better than some other alternatives -for things that IE sometimes gets wonky whilst covering streaming etc. effectively.
Try changing view - in IE Tools to Compatibility mode first, as well.
* Edit update : FWIW- This edit is still live some time[>1 hr] later !!
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5:21 am October 19, 2009
| metamorph
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Thanks Trev, I'll try and see whether I am going to it it right.
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5:26 am October 19, 2009
| metamorph
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Too bad! No edit button in sight. Previously I could see the Edit button but not now.
Perhaps, I will check my and edit my posts before “Saving” it.
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3:57 pm October 19, 2009
| smiles4life
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Hey Friends
I must tell you that I tried the BBB and it really WORKS….I am amazed at how it has helped me thank you so much. I had begun using ULORIC about 4 weeks ago, because my levels of uric acid were staying high all the time. I was getting pain on a weekly basis, so I figured I had to do something. I am allergic to Allupurinol so could not take that, and was trying to manage it by diet, but decided to try ULORIC. I did not like the way it made me feel, was tired had a bad taste in my mouth, and I believe that it aggravated my current case of Psoriasis (I'm dealing with multiple problems). I also felt that it was causing me to have a tight chest which scared me.
Anyway once I started on the BBB which was about 5 days ago, I felt better almost instantly…I have made BBB part of my daily regime and It is working better than anything I have ever tried. I am really interested to figure out why. It clearly is doing something to the Uric acid levels in my system. Does anyone have any idea exactly why it is working?
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9:11 pm October 19, 2009
| metamorph
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smiles4life,
That's great!!! I am really glad that you can smile now & hope it's for life!
Based on what I know so far, it is the anthocyanin in the seed coat of BB that is effective in relieving pain and inflammation (especially for gout). I am still trying to find out more about how it works. The links in my earlier posts and Trev's may shed some light about black bean's effectiveness and health benefits.
I am searching for more scientific researches/evidences about BB's efficacy on gout. Meanwhile, I can only attest to BBB's effectiveness in relieving gout pain and inflammation. Whether it can “cure” gout or not remains unanswered.
Keep SMILING!  
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9:55 pm October 19, 2009
| metamorph
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Hi smiles4life,
Regarding your “Psoriasis” you could consider trying “cranberry juice”. This again is something that I stumbled on during my search for “natural cures”. Actually this is something recommended by doctors for UTI (urinary tract infection).
I recommended it to a close relative of mine who was suffering from Psoriasis. His condition deteriorated quite badly when he was supposed to fly to Sydney with his family. He was desperate and was on the verge of cancelling his flight which was only a week away. He felt that there was no harm taking a try with cranberry juice ( a desperate person will try anything). We were amazed that his condition improve very quickly and was able to go to Sydney with his family.
This, however, is an isolated success case for psoriasis. So far, there had not been any other known or documented examples of cranberry's effectiveness on psoriasis. Anyway, cranberry juice also contains anthosyanin. Based on BBB's numerous health benefits I do hope it will also have some positive effects on some of your “multiple problems”.
My apologies that I have deviated from BBB.
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4:54 am October 20, 2009
| trev
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Great Miles!
It will be instructive to get a SUA reading(s) after some time on BBB- and symptom free.
The tendency will surely be to forget to follow up -but without some feedback these home remedies will stay on the 'back shelf'- even if effective in certain cases.
My feeling (from reading up) is that BBB is good in the 'attack phase' but will not show any long term UA reduction- but I hope I'm wrong on this one!
It's down to you now ;)
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5:23 am October 20, 2009
| zip2play
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Extraneous thoughts:
meta:
1. I checked back and I stilol have EDIT on my posts that are several weeks old…I Use I.E as my browser.
2. I am AMAZED that you can cook 7 ounces of beans in 2 liters of water and be able to drain off 1.5 liters of broth. Apparenly my beans are a LOT more absorbant than yours.
Trev:
No, I'm here just out of curiosity…I don't need any gout analgesics anymore but DO love pureed black bean soup and thus everything goes into the blender with spices and I enjoy a fine pureed black been soup “ala Cubana.” THis from an Austro-Russian! 
I too am almost CERTAIN that BBB will have no effect on serum urate but I am scientist enought to say this is onlly a guess in the absence of someone actually doing the dogwork to find out for sure.
I for one in the presence of tested hyperuricemia would NEVER count on any analgesic to prevent active attacks no matter how “natural” or “unnatural” becasue hyperuricemia even without gout attacks is dangerous and quite possibly life threatening. It MUST be controlled.
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5:44 am October 20, 2009
| trev
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Zip- I have to concur with Meta- my last batch produced 1.5 ltrs.
This time I used a closed lid ( no vent- glass cookware) and simmered low for the 1.5 hrs. req'd.
This , as before,using Black Turtle beans from local health food store (packed there)- from Chinese produced organic batch.
I accept your warnings about hyper UA -but I'm prepared to wait a while to see my attack rate stabilise. [hopefully !]
I'm still prepared to take AP as a long term guard- even in the absence of gout attacks if my figure doesn't get to around 6mg/dl.
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7:23 pm October 20, 2009
| metamorph
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I am also using I.E as my browser but, strangely, no “Edit” button can be found anywhere. Anyway, that's a minor problem and I'll leave it as such.
I was able to produce 1.5 liters with the slow cooking method . It works something like “crock- pots”, an electrical appliance which maintains a relatively low temperature and allows unattended cooking for many hours.
It is just out of curiosity that I was thinking of finding out more about BBB effects on gout, nothing more. I do not think that any drug company would want to take the trouble to spend time and effort to do researches on black bean’s effects on gout because BB is a natural product and hence not patentable. There's no way they can protect their profit - or even make back the $$$$$ poured into research. A good example is the graviola fruit, a natural cure for cancer.
What matters most to me is that I have used BBB myself and found it really effective in relieving gout pain and inflammation and I am happy to share it with as many people as possible with the hope that it would help alleviate their sufferings too. It’s all about “sharing”.
Honestly, I am quite skeptical about many claims of alternative cures/remedies for gout and many other ailments - especially when $$$$ is involved. I do have one concern though, and that is I could have unwittingly caused an increase in the price of black beans due to greater demands.
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9:09 pm October 20, 2009
| trev
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Have you tried Firefox browser , Meta?
On the BB front- that blacked out Limo that sweeps by could be a Chinese farmer getting rewarded for surviving the long march and staying close to the land ! Sharing, indeed…
It's an ill wind -etc. We users are too small a minority to affect the price, though :)
Any society that can add a toxic addition like Fluoride to drinking water under hack science and then blithely put up with it, has to be suspect. That the same species is plagued by gout seems almost incidental in its obscure cruelty.
Yes, money bends the truth as well as peoples lives.
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7:23 pm October 21, 2009
| metamorph
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Thanks for you advice Trev. I'll get someone to fix that up for me.
I am a bit puzzled about your “….that blacked out Limo that sweeps by could be a Chinese farmer getting rewarded for surviving the long march and staying close to the land !” .
Could you be referring to Chinese farmers growing black beans? If so, I don't think the farmers can make much by growing black beans. As far as I know, there are much easier and faster ways that they can make $billions (based on their fast increasing numbers of Billionaires). The farmers are still the “poor peasants” slogging away just to make ends meet. 
Heh! I just notice that our Admin, GoutPal has not been around for sometime. Could be why some posts by guests have still not been approved.
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12:57 am October 22, 2009
| trev
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Pre-xactly Met!
A cheap , safe cure for gout and a rich chinese peasant -both equally unlikely, on current performances.
You must make allowance for a Brits' dark , ironic humour -and spelling come to that.
It's traditional after all!
G-p is probably in 'recess'- I hope he's enjoying the break… the tribe are filling in ;)
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11:33 pm October 22, 2009
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Hi folks: Have a question on the black beans. I found them in some health foood stores and there kinda pricy, on line as well. I found them at walmart. pretty cheap but I am not sure if the beans will work. These beans are small(about the size of navy beans). From what I have read it is the skin that makes the broth. Has anyone used these beans and if so does the standard Goutpal recipt still stand? Thanks
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12:30 am October 23, 2009
| metamorph
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Hi Dan,
The prices in Health Food stores tend to be pricier. I bought mine from grocery stores and they are much cheaper, especially the non-organic type which I always use. I have used both types (small and big black beans) and they were both equally effective.
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12:59 am October 23, 2009
| trev
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I personally prefer to stick with the S.American ' Black Turtle' Bean, though my supply is actually from China- and definitely not Soy.
Soy has phytoestrogens in its makeup- which I'd rather do without.
My supply [Health Food shop] is organic and costs £1.46 for 500gm., which is reasonable to me. [$2 appprox].
I've been utilising just a few of the leftover beans in the soup I make - as I hate waste, with no apparent effect on gout twinges. I suspect that the skin reduction 'simmer' broth enhances the protective effect over a few 'added' back bean kernels.
I wouldn't go any further than this though -and throw 90% of the cooked beans away.
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5:31 am October 23, 2009
| metamorph
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Trev,
There is still a lot for me to learn more about “…..Brits' dark , ironic humour…..” . Actually, here at GoutPal, I am learning a lot about many other things besides gout. Learning has no age limits.
Indeed, approx. US$2 for 500gm of organic BB is very reasonable.
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8:04 am October 23, 2009
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I don't buy organic…so I guess I have to call them INorganic beans.
My price yesterday was $1.29/lb (454 g.) for Vitarroz Frijoles Negros (black turtle beans.) Last month they had GOYA brand on sale for $.99.
We are having a pretty steep food inflation in the United States (in spite of government denials of the obvious) and these prices are all up about 50% over a year ago.
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