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Post edited 5:39 am – November 13, 2009 by trev

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Meta- everything in life had mixes of good and bad and that also depends on where you stand.

To a gouty, the relative value of risk versus benefit is a much sharper distinction than for others. Cyanide type components lurking in bean hulls have a lot less interest to someone driven to suicidal thoughts by pain- and many have been down that road.

Likewise, on Goutpal- some like a meds slant and security  [of a sort] whilst others [me inc.] prefer to struggle in the natural cure camp.

I would say both have their place, depending on circumstance, and what may today be the general rule can change very quickly- once the cat's 'out of the bag' on other approaches to gout.

People used to to take mercury for syphilis, for goodness sake!¬

So keep going- and I'm sure you will get as much support here,probably more, than elsewhere!

I think the Iron absorption angle is a definite 'runner'!

It's just a job separating the pros and cons- but gout is so neglected [given the pain it can cause] -that any move forward will soon fly round the internet like brush fire.

[eg: see my recent post on natural cancer cure- hard to believe, but pictures show it!]

It’s so easy to get side tracked here with these interesting links!

I have now been off the Lasix pills for close to a couple of weeks … The BBB seems to being doing an effective job on its own…

Co-insedentally I seem to be sleeping better & longer too…
Anyone else have sleeping problems?

I also started making a Cinnamon / honey mixture to hopefully help lower Cholesterol… but reading some earlier posts on Gout Pal that it too may have some benefits on Gouty symptoms too… Often mentioned as a “wonder cure” for many things…. ???

Well onwards & side ways, must get todays batch of BBB off the burner!

Post edited 5:35 pm – November 14, 2009 by trev

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Well Meta-You're the man! Climbing to 5,000 views now _How's  the hunt for the BB plantation going?

Just a check post on some new info on black beans.

I've been looking into the Leptin diet- not very complex but hard to do right and my eye was therefore especially tuned to the word Lectin in a health article (breifly),

I did some quick online checks and lo and behold- beans are full of Lectin ( a protein) they are toxic and hard to get rid of but soaking does something to help.

My overall impression is that it's a subject like gout- deeply buried , rather neglected and not over researched, given the potential problem.

Unless you have big immune issues ,I don't think Lectin is a big time worry.

[They are said to reduce immune function & affect metabolism, something well implicated, in fact- part of gout itself.]

Apparently, lectins can stop very basic body processes http://www.medicalnewstoday.co…../78478.php

and are even used in establishing blood types. (ABO) 

I am glad I take my BBB in a soup mix- though tbh, anything useful is going to have a lurky back office.    It does lend credence to the latent power & mystery of BBB.

Throwing initial [or overnight] soak water,next rinse  and  leftover beans away is probably safest.

How much protein gets in the final broth water is anyones guess!

Low level use like mine , or occasional heavy duty doses under gout duress seem worthwhile, if effective.

http://www.krispin.com/lectin.html

Meta- Don't get me wrong- I'm all for natures' novel solutions!

I'm doing 10 mile walks at the weekend, having some hot curries /raw chillies and beers and trying to keep healthy.  :) Probably the oldest regular contributor on here. I finished a good session about 3am!

Because  BBB is is along the jungle cures that Bruce Parry might come across- it's good to discuss the 'ins amd outs' of them.

It's peoples' choice, in the end ,what to eat and take for health- so long as it's legal- end of!

If you're taking big amounts without adverse affects, all to the good. Some others might be more sensitive to one thing or another & at different times.

All gouties know we've got to struggle to find best health under the current state of play!

There's some interesting stuff flying about  on these related topics right now.

While scouring the web to search for more information about “BB & Iron”, I found the folowing :

 

3.12  Gout Doctor, Beer Drinker, Gout Sufferer, Instant Celebrity and Hot Book Seller. Just read in a news flash that Dr. Osame, a 63 year old gout specialist in Japan, is also a nightly beer drinker — sometimes up to 9 litres (about 24 12-oz. cans) of beer a day. Gout finally caught up with him about 3 1/2 years ago. In the name of science, he kept drinking beer while trying to find a way to beat it. His findings: he can beat the gout if he drinks less than 750 milliliters (24 oz.) of beer a day — so little, how sad. What did he accomplish? His just published a book on his gout experiment and gout advice. It is a hot seller in Japan and he has become an instant international celebrity. Gout isn't always bad after all. Kanpai. (3/12/05) ……. http://homepage.mac.com/umber_…..sdiagnosis

     Access the link below and you will see something familiar -  “Black Bean Broth For Natural   

     Gout Treatment”.

     http://www.ehow.com/how_563426…..tment.html

 

There was another interesting and original ”Black Bean Soup” recipe at …http://fellowprisoner.wordpres…..n-soup/.... and you  did make a very apt comment about it.

That “beer study” was just meant to inject some humour to relief some of our gout pains – not meant to be serious.

zip2play said:

MEtamorph’s link is ver good. let me repeat it here:

http://homepage.mac.com/umber_…..sdiagnosis

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Yep, good read.

Yes certainly a long read, as with Metamorph, going to have to go through it again!

Just to update on myself, I am still not back to any pills, the BBB seems to be keeping right foot swelling down… when I get that slight throbbing feeling, I take another glass full of BBB & it clears things up in about 20 minutes.

Jim

I am placing this same post that I have just made under “END OF MY BBB JOURNEY” as I find this a better place to do so.  Indeed,  I have reached the end of my journey to find out whether BBB could be more than just an effective relieve for Gout pain and inflammation……………..

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I searched and searched but could not find anything substantial about black beans as a cure for gout. The closest I got to were some research evidences (as shown below) on black bean’s  effect on iron, the main causes of uric acid in our blood and the ultimate culprit of our GOUT sufferings. 

 

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 “There is evidence that calcium from supplements and dairy foods may inhibit iron absorption, but it has been very difficult to distinguish between the effects of calcium on iron absorption versus other inhibitory factors such as phytate.”  (http://ods.od.nih.gov/factshee…..ron.asp#h9) Black beans are high in calcium are high in calcium. ——————————————————————————————————————

One drawback to eating beans is their high phytic acid content. Phytic acid binds to minerals such as iron and calcium and reduces their absorption – thereby increasing the risk of mineral deficiency. It also makes beans more difficult to digest. One way to reduce levels of phytic acid is to soak the beans overnight and discard the water before cooking them the next morning. Using this method, you can better enjoy the amazing health benefits that beans have to offer.

(http://www.ehow.com/how_539537…..beans.html)

 

The above refers to beans reducing “iron” absorption due to their high phytic acid content. Since absorption of too much “iron” into our system will increase production of uric acid, consumption of black beans does have an iron chelating effect of reducing the iron in our system. 

Soaking the beans overnight and discarding the water before cooking them will reduce the levels of phytic acid and therefore increases absorption of “iron” into our system to enhance its numerous other health benefits – gout excluded.

 

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The main differences between white and coloured beans were the presence of free kaempferol….. only in red and black beans………. Kaempferol from seed coats exhibited high bioaccessibility (45.4−62.1%) and a potent inhibitor effect on Fe uptake at concentrations ranging from 0.37 to 1.30 μM. Caco-2 cell ferritin formation was used to evaluate Fe uptake. Cell Fe uptake was significant only from white beans.

http://www.chemsite.ru/abstrac…..59905.html

 

Black beans is indeed a potent inhibitor of FE uptake and thus does have a reducing effect on the creation of uric acid in our system. This also shows that black beans are significantly different from white beans. All beans have all along been considered as gout causing food.  Black beans should, therefore, be excluded from the list as its positive effects on Gout has been tried and proven – by myself and many other gout sufferers. Even if it had not been very effective for some others it had not made their gout worse.

 

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……the removal of bean hull led to a significant increase of iron availability from coloured beans but not from white bean. In fact, removal of the hull from the white bean did not affect iron content but decreased iron uptake from the sample, indicating the presence of an iron uptake promoter in the white bean. Their phytate levels did not explain this increase in iron bioavailability of the hulled beans……..

(http://www.ars.usda.gov/resear…..mp;fy=2004)

 

Thus, it appears that phyto chemicals responsible for red, black, pinto or brown hull colour are the major factors inhibiting iron bioavailability in beans.  That makes them significantly different from white beans.  It is the hull of the beans that makes the difference.

 

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All the above are abstracts from researches on black bean’s numerous health benefits, but are not directly linked to GOUT.  All I could do was to make inferences from these researches to identify and highlight black beans efficacies on gout – its effects on IRON.   

 

One thing I am absolutely sure is that the anthocyanins in the hull of black beans are very effective in relieving gout pain and inflammation. More details about “gout and anthocyanins” are explained in “Gout Pal Work in Progress” (http://goutpal.wordpress.com/2…..hocyanins/)

 

 

Alas, I have to admit that I have come to the end of my BBB journey. I tried in vain to find any scientific/medical research directly linking black beans as a cure for gout.  Having gone through so much, it has finally dawned on me that there is no necessity for me to go any further.  I suppose I have to come to terms with and accept the reality that many things in life are motivated by materialistic gains/benefits. So far, I have yet to see any report about anyone dying from gout. Hence, it does not make any economic sense for any one to spend time and $$$ to make further researches on gout. Besides, there are medications/drugs to suppress/control the proliferation of uric acid in our body and they are easily available.  My conclusion is – there is still no known CURE for gout.

 

No one wants to have gout!  It is only when we are afflicted that we realise how terrible it can be.  All our friends at GoutPal Interactive know exactly what I mean. There are lots of information about gout and how to avoid it – mostly about what not to eat or drink. The main concern about gout is that it is terribly painful and debilitating. It affects our lives terribly – making us feel miserable. Therefore, the most pressing need is to alleviate sufferings – the pain and inflammation of gout flare-ups.

 

BBB is doing just that and very effectively so. If we are already on medication and are happy with its results it is advisable to go on with it. There is no harm trying out BBB to eliminate the torturing pain. However, we have to be mindful that it may not work the same way for everyone – due to many factors and conditions.  What it takes it lots of determination and perseverance. 

 

Notwithstanding all the above, Prevention is always better than Cure. Here at GoutPal we have almost all the information and answers relating to Gout – Thanks to Keith and all other gout friends. The Final Choice is Ours!

 

Thanks again, metamorph.

Is there a connection between the increasing popularity of your famous brew. and a shortage-driven hike in black soybean prices?