Gout And Acupuncture

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  • #21737

    Dorian Kramer
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    [Feedback from Gout And Acupuncture]

    So to start I treated myself with electro acu and found profound results, as well as bleeding certain points. I found strong results in symptoms(I didn’t have my uric acid tester at the time).

    I put up a request on two FB pages of acupuncture groups and literally no one knew anything( sorry to rant but some of the responses were so ignorant that I had to get off the site rather than rant) So I finally found what I was looking for.

    Can you please send me the links. I would like to see what distal points they used, I suspect I know but it would be helpful to see their take on it.

    Once again Keith this site is amazing and I intend to put out any info I can as soon as I feel I can speak with useful info.
    Dorian

    [ From Gout Helpdesk Wed, 24 Jun at 10:31 AM ]

    #21739

    Keith Taylor
    Participant

    Thank you for your kind words. Thank you even more for raising the interesting topic of acupuncture again. I’ve had discussions with an Australian acupuncturist about gout, so I’ll see if he has any updates about his work.

    The links that I should have included in that report are Clinical application of acupuncture and moxibustion to the treatment of gouty arthritis and analysis on their therapeutic effects and Observation on therapeutic effect of electroacupuncture plus blood-letting puncture and cupping combined with diet intervention for treatment of acute.

    For gout studies, I’ve recently been using ResearchGate more than PubMed. Quite often you can get full copies of articles on ResearchGate that only have abstracts on PubMed. I couldn’t find those two, but I’ve found some interesting new stuff:

    Chinese herbal medicine for gout: a systematic review of randomized clinical trials

    The Time Course Effects of Electroacupuncture on Promoting Skeletal Muscle Regeneration and Inhibiting Excessive Fibrosis after Contusion in Rabbits

    Evaluation of the Effects of Traditional Cupping on the Biochemical, Hematological and Immunological Factors of Human Venous Blood

    I suspect there’s many more, but I’ve got to dash for an appointment now. More soon.

    #21740

    Dorian Kramer
    Participant

    If you have the links to the original articles in Chinese I believe I can get them translated, he abstracts unfortunately don’t list the info I would need. I would also love to know if I could be put in contact with your guy in Australia as communicating with someone specializing in this would be invaluable. Thank you once again for all this info I am now wading through the systematic review article

    #21744

    Dorian Kramer
    Participant

    Hi Keith just following up on being put in touch with your guy in australia

    #21746

    Dorian Kramer
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    #21778

    Dorian Kramer
    Participant

    Also I found a very interesting connection, I was looking at the estim and rabbits article and it cited a different study in which kidney damaged induced in rats was reversed through estim of one of the same points and another on the kidney channel( I would post the link, but because it connects with something called karger journal it seems to have issues when I have posted it elsewhere) but you can find it in the reference section , I believe it is number 38. Since 2/3rds of uric acid is excretedthrough the kidneys and, according to my reading, for most gout sufferers there is an issue of under excretion, I feel this protocol shows promise. I have started it on my self(it would have been better if I had a measurement before and after) but I also just had a patient come in who is suffering from chronic renal failure, with elevated creatinine and protein levels, so as she is treated I will at least have a definitive measure of overall kidney function even if it is not direct to uric acid

    #21852

    Dorian Kramer
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    #21859

    Keith Taylor
    Participant

    Hi Dorian,

    I’ve lost where we are with reference to acupuncture for gout.

    Ideally, I’d like to update my article on GoutPal.com with some more current guidelines.

    I’ve changed the Personal Gout Profile here to add a box for important questions. For the moment, I see this as a good way to keep track of any personal gout issues that haven’t been resolved yet.

    As I get back on track, I will focus most on any issues that you flag up in that box. If acupuncture is one of them, I will review all the latest references that I have for it.

    #21868

    Keith Taylor
    Participant

    @dorian-kramer I’ve moved the link above from for those who cant or dont want to take medications to this discussion.

    That report is about acupuncture, so I though it best to move it here to avoid diluting the discussion. I don’t make a habit of this, but I happened to spot it as I worked through my backlog.

    For some reason, acupuncture has always fascinated me. I’ve never tried it, but I’m convinced it can be effective for many gout sufferers. Given the increasing fears about NSAIDs, it’s great to discuss alternatives.

    The report you linked to is titled: Study on mechanisms of electroacupuncture treatment of acute gouty arthritis

    It concludes (my paraphrasing):

    “Electroacupuncture can reduce the production of uric acid and promote the excretion of uric acid and has a better treatment effect. And there are no harmful effects on kidney function. Electroacupuncture is an effective therapeutic method for treatment of gout with kidney problems.”

    I’d have thought, if that is repeatable, electroacupuncture would be a good choice for all gout sufferers, not just those with kidney disease!

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