March 8, 2010 at 10:02 pm #3195
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Gout and itching. I have been itching on my feet and heels for several months. Sometimes all over my body, feet and hands. Recently I had an extreme gout attack. During that time my itching went away and when the attack stopped, the itching came back. I have tried every cream made, including steroids, hydrocortisone and fungal. I am now convinced that the itching is a buildup of uric acid that is huge. I am 62 and for the last few years have been trying to lose wight by eating a high-protein diet. Now, I am trying to following a low protein gout diet, etc. I am beside myself with the itching tho. Just found out about the baking soda and will try that. Any other suggestions. I have tried Atarax, nerve therapy, etc. I think the solution is to rid my body of uric acid. How do I do this naturally?March 9, 2010 at 4:42 am #7893
Welcome to the forum Carol- My experience is that UA reduction can be acheived using natural methods- but only up to so much.
Changing my BP meds for the combination of Furosemide and Losaratan has helped as this gives a boost to UA reduction of 1% (or more), according to reliable reports (I think Japan).
Certainly stopping Bendrofluthiazide was a good move. No attack for 9 months now!
This is not enough to tip the scales though – so I use Goutcure daily, a herbal mix reputed to be good for everything, and if it is, Good! Also using a probiotic from them.
The site that supplies this to me Goutcare.co uk also give a fair bit of dietary advice which is helpful, if hard to follow for long. A week is the usual 'full strength' diet run.
Mainly fruit , veg and water to go with the Goutcure which can be a tad drying I find- but also at the 3 a day -gives me itching!!
So it may be that the UA going into the blood does this -as urine acid output goes up dramatically.
Often a reading in am of 5.5- highly acidic. This is night time normal follow up to liver & kidney function.
So the itching may not be all bad and if you try Goutcure, but be gentle with anything you try- as you may be already helping the situation with your own ministrations.
You might find a UA monitor helpful if you can't get ready checks on blood and this helps me get on track. Stay below 7mg/dl if you can, though daily variations are normal.
If you need meds, then you can read up on here many opinions- but whatever you do, you will need persistence -and a good doctor helps a lot. They generally don't 'get' gout very well ,especially if they don't suffer from it or have direct experience of it, like many lay people, too.
You will get a SUA test before they will prescribe anything.March 9, 2010 at 5:31 am #7886
The short answer to your question: “how do I do this naturally?” is you don't. Due to the natural process of aging your organs are in a state of slow decline, specifically your kidneys, which are largely responsible for Uric acid clearance, as well as fluid metabolism which affects the nourishment of the skin – hence the itching ( I get it too, mainly on the ankles and shins).
Standard recommendation on this forum is to first get your UA level measured so that you can establish an understanding of exactly where you are on the gout spectrum. This is a simple blood test. Secondly, do a lot of reading of past posts on here to get yourself up to speed on the knowledge base as far as possible. The advice you will probably get is to start taking the meds, as this is the quickest method of lowering UA levels, and in view of the list of noxious substances you've been prepared to subject your body to in the past, I wonder why you are reluctant to do this.
There are, however, a few people here who are trying to avoid drug therapy, mostly through diet. But it is a long, slow process of trial and error with only small gains to be made. My personal recommendation would be to give Chinese medicine a try: acupuncture and herbs. This is usually a therapy of last resort for many people, but it can have remarkable results, especially in conjunction with dietary restrictions from both a Western and Chinese perspective. And, of course, it's totally natural and can even run alongside any other meds you might be taking. The only downside is it's not cheap.March 9, 2010 at 8:40 am #7880
I differ on Odos' view on the worthwhileness of natural cures.
I had two sequential readings of 4.5 whilst on the Goutcure 'blitz' diet and I wouldn't call that a small gain. In fact, if I just stayed around 6, that would be fine for now -without attacks.
Further the capsules are made up of herbs like Yucca root and others like aged garlic and you recommend a herbal approach yourself- so I don't get where your view is coming from- somewhat contradictory.
Most meds, in my view, are potentially noxious- but that doesn't mean one can't take them, even as you recommend them here. In fact ,generally -meds tend to acidity in the body from all I've seen and that's not good for gout, in particular.
Allopurinol does have a predictable therapy value when needed -but I prefer to try other methods while able to do it with reasonable success.March 9, 2010 at 12:04 pm #7895
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Gout and itching. I have been itching on my feet and heels for several months. Sometimes all over my body, feet and hands. Recently I had an extreme gout attack. During that time my itching went away and when the attack stopped, the itching came back. I have tried every cream made, including steroids, hydrocortisone and fungal. I am now convinced that the itching is a buildup of uric acid that is huge. I am 62 and for the last few years have been trying to lose wight by eating a high-protein diet. Now, I am trying to following a low protein gout diet, etc. I am beside myself with the itching tho. Just found out about the baking soda and will try that. Any other suggestions. I have tried Atarax, nerve therapy, etc. I think the solution is to rid my body of uric acid. How do I do this naturally?
Uric acid crystals can certainly get under the skin, causing psoriasis of varying degrees. Everyone has different sensitivity levels, but the truth is, it may be the gout, or it may be something else.
We can really help with the gout here, and might be able to give pointers to other conditions.
It is utterly pointless to discuss the merits or otherwise of different cures, until we know your uric acid levels. As much history and information as possible will give us the best chance to help you.
As odo says, We start with current uric acid levels and I would also like to see recent history. We develop a plan together. We fix your gout. This may or may not fix the itching, but it will definitely fix the gout.March 9, 2010 at 12:17 pm #7896
No, don't get me wrong Trev I'm TOTALLY IN FAVOUR OF NATURAL CURES and agree about the toxicity of meds. I was just trying to present a balanced view to a first time poster. Perhaps I slightly overcompensated for my own bias.
4.5 on the Goutcure diet is impressive, but if it's not sustainable then surely that's just like losing weight by fasting and putting it all back on again when you begin eating normally? What I meant was that gains are achieved in small increments and require real dedication to maintain.
I am currently taking a couple of Chinese herbal patent formulas, which are keeping me completely clear of gout symptoms (famous last words) despite regularly recording UA levels in the high 6s and my last test was 7.0. (been a bit cavalier with diet lately and stress levels are high coming up to finals & dissertation deadline looming). So, yes, I am all in favour of herbs regardless of which medical tradition they come from.
That said, I would also not hesitate to start popping naproxen should I feel the need.March 9, 2010 at 12:24 pm #7897
As odo says, We start with current uric acid levels and I would also like to see recent history. We develop a plan together. We fix your gout. This may or may not fix the itching, but it will definitely fix the gout.
Will go out on a limb here and say acupuncture can probably fix the itchingMarch 9, 2010 at 3:05 pm #7898
High uric acid CAN cause itching directly but it is not likely. BUT indirectly, high uric acid can damage the kidneys and underperforming kidneys can READILY cause itching.
Next doctor visit, when you get your uric acid measured have doc run a liver panel. THe buildup of bilirubin is ALWAYS associated with extreme itching and it is the first marker for liver damage…usually caused by hepatitis. Best to rule out liver problems whenever you suffer long term itching. Is there any yellowing of your skin or eyes?March 10, 2010 at 12:43 am #7901
I have a different experience on itching in the last 7 months that I am taking Allopurinol.
1. Whenever I have increased the dosage e.g. 150 mg to 200, to 250 and then to 300 mg, I always got itching for couple of days. Few times, it was almost scratching on few spots on skin, which would turn red and then become normal in 2-3 hrs. This is story of my first 6 weeks of Allopurinol.
2. After I stablized on 300 mg dose almost 5 and half months back, I have seen that every 2-3 weeks, I would experience few heatup sensations in the toe and itching in the skin. I have also taken SUA readings on those days and the SUA levels were on the higher side of my range( Remember my range is 3.2 to 4.8 but on these days, I always got the readings of 4.4 and above upto 4.8)….If I do not include these high itch and sensation days, my SUA levels would be always below 4.
It has happened at-least 5-6 times, last time it was just a week back. My SUA levels shot up to 4.8….it settled down in 2-3 days. My levels today are 3.6 and 4.0 in the 2 reading I took at home.
So, I can conclude easily that whenever I have got itching every 2-3 weeks, SUA levels were high and probably reason of the itching….I have no logical reasoning behind it but it is just my personal experience.
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