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Gout Help For Female, 53

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12:01 pm
September 25, 2008


el

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I am 53 yo Asian female and was diagnosed with gout 12/07.

I have had my 2nd flare-up(UA level was 6.0) since 8/7/08. The pain is not severe but it won't go away.

I was on Allopurinal 100mg 2x/day. Been on .6mg Colchicine & 440mg naproxen 2x/day.

I follow the gout and acid & alkaline diets and found no relief. UA level on 9/16 was 8.9.

I want to go back on Allopurinal ASAP. I have family history of gout. Please please help.

12:11 pm
September 25, 2008


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You ought to go back on allopurinol straight away.

Why did you stop? Was it due to side effects of taking allopurinol?

Allopurinol will get rid of the uric acid that is causing you pain in a few months, but you must keep getting levels checked each month to make sure they are below 6. Your doctor should alter dosage to get this right.

The other 2 meds will help with pain until the allopurinol has done it's stuff.

Do not stop taking the allopurinol under any circumstances unless advised by a doctor.

10:13 pm
September 25, 2008


Esther

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Thanks for your reply. My doctor told me to stop the Allopurinal back in August when I had the 2nd attack. She said the Allopurinal would make it worse. About a month ago she told me to go back on it (when I still had some pain  but no swelling) but less than 3 days later I had another flare-up. So she told me to stop again and haven't been back. She thought the 2nd attack had not cleared up when I started take Allopurinal again.

There are days I hardly have any pain but then the next day I have terrible pain again.  Originally it started with right big toe and this time I have it in both toes (red & shiny), and the pain now goes to all toes and other part of the feet. And it comes and goes.

My doctor thought it may be arthritis so I had both feet were X-rayed and it was not. I am going back to see  her on 9/30. I am going to ask to see a specialist.

My BP has not been under controlled since I was off diuretic Rx late 7/08. I am taking 3 different kind of BP pills and it is still about 150+/90+. I keep questioning about my BP med but my doctor said it takes time for t he med  to  work and also to get the right dosage. She told me that I was being impatient. Of course I belong to a HMO.

I appreciate yours or any gout suffer's insights. Sorry for being long winded.

Thank you kindly,

Esther

5:30 am
September 26, 2008


GoutPal

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posts 176

Esther said:

My doctor thought it may be arthritis so I had both feet were X-rayed and it was not. I am going back to see  her on 9/30. I am going to ask to see a specialist.


I think that the sooner you see a specialist, the better.

The prescribing guidelines for allopurinol are quite clear - do not start it during a gout attack, but once started, do not stop it if another gout attack occurs.

In fact, it is common for gout attacks to occur during the first few months of allopurinol use. See my allopurinol medication page for more details.
I think of these as “good gout flares”. I know that it is hard to think of pain as good, but it is a sign that you are getting better, as long as your uric acid level is below 6mg/dL. Direct your doctor to this page - I would appreciate her comments.

Esther, never apologize for long-windedness hereWink

The more information, the easier to offer advice, and the better quality that advice.

Blood pressure and gout form a very complex relationship. There are different types of blood pressure tablets, and some should never be prescribed to gout sufferers, or those at risk of gout (high uric acid level without gout symptoms, or family history of gout). What tablets are you taking?

In “Effect of allopurinol on blood pressure of adolescents with newly diagnosed essential hypertension: a randomized trial.”, Feig and colleagues note that allopurinol reduces blood pressure. Though their subjects are not typical gout sufferers, there is no reason to doubt that the effects of lowered uric acid will reduce blood pressure also in older people, though there may be other factors causing high blood pressure that prevent this improvement. Therefore, it is important to monitor both uric acid and blood pressure during allopurinol treatment.

7:15 am
September 26, 2008


Esther

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I really appreciate your quick response.

I have high BP since age 25 (My mom had high BP since her mid-20's also). I was on Triamterene/HCTZ (Maxzide) 75mg and Atenolol 50mg, both 1X/day for 15 years. I asked my doctor to take me off the diuretic because I had a hard time losing weight. I was about 10-15 pounds overweight then. I lost about 6 pounds in 2 months because I don't dare to eat anything that may make my gout attack worse.

At first she put me on Spironolactone 25mg, 1X/day. It did absolutely nothing for my BP. After 3-4 days of terrible headaches & dizziness,  she added Atenolol back. Still there was no improvement in my BP (150+/90+). About 2 1/2 weeks ago, she added Lisinopril 20mg, 1X/day.  After 4 days of no improvement, she told me to take 1 more  Linsinopril at night.  Again, after 4 days of  the worst dizziness & headaches ( I could barely sit up). I emailed her and told her how bad I felt and questioned  why all these meds are not working. She told me that I was being impatient and that the meds need take time to be 100% effective.

Here I am, having gout pain in my toes/feet & terrible headaches & dizziness all at the same time and my doctor wants me to be patient!!!!! 

 I am very depressed because I love to  eat and travel. Now I can do none. I have nothing to look forward to. All I am thinking is that I inherited all the bad genes from both sides of the family. I am only 53 and got all kind of health problems. I hope I won't live too long.


9:40 am
September 26, 2008


GoutPal

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posts 176

It seems to me, that your health issues are getting you down, and maybe you can't see a way out of it.

The thing to do now is think and, more importantly, act positively.

I do not feel you are going to get very far with your current doctor. Stopping and starting allopurinol, and prescribing diuretics to a gout sufferer are against the fundamentals of gout management.

See a gout specialist as soon as you can.

As many gout patients also suffer high blood pressure, gout specialists know how to deal with this problem.

Get fixed. Get active. Then you will start to enjoy your life again.

It may take some willpower from you to work with the doctor, and getting rid of the uric acid crystals that have built up in your body may take a few months.

But it will get better.

4:55 pm
September 26, 2008


Esther

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Thank you very much for your advice and encouragement.

I will request to see a gout specialist when I see my doctor on Tuesday.

I hope my HMO will approve it.

Thanks again.

11:50 pm
October 24, 2008


Esther

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Dear Keith,

I just want to keep you posted my progress. I went back on Allopurinol right away after seeing your response. Went to see the gout specialist 2 1/2 weeks ago. The first thing I told him was your website. I told him that your site was the most helpful and not just repeating the same old info like others. He wrote down your website address and said he definately checked it out. Anyway,  he  increased my Allopurinol dosage from 200mg to 300mg + taking .6mg Colchicine 2x/day to decrease the chance for a flare-up.

Just as you said, my new doc told me that my family doctor was totally wrong on how to deal with my gout med.  I should have stayed on Allopurinol during the flare-up.

I told him that I don't feel well with the new BP med even though it lowered my BP to an acceptable range. Also the new med is 6X more expensive that the old one.  I asked him if there is any way I can go back to the old med. He said that the new BP med that I got from my family doc is also a diuretic. He said that it is possible for me to go back to the old one if the Allopurinol dosage is increased. I'll have a lab test on my UA in Dec first then decide what to do.

Regarding the pain in my toes/feet, he didn't think it was from gout. He thinks tha I may have nerve inflammation from the arthritis in my hip and radiates all the way to my toes and feet.(I showed him the X-Ray report on my hip I had 2 years ago). He sugguested that I deal with one thing at a time .

Again, thank you so very much for all your support and suggestions. I feel much better now.


10:18 am
October 25, 2008


GoutPal

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posts 176

Esther, I am so pleased for you.

Think of this as a turn-round point in your life.

Once you get the allopurinol dosage right, and the uric acid crystals dissolved, you can lead a full and active life again without the misery of gout pain, or the fear of it.

Please remember to drink plenty of water. This will help flush the uric acid from your blood that can rise as the crystals dissolve. It also helps prevent a build up of allopurinol in the body.

I can't wait until you're traveling and eating what you want again (in moderation of course). Singing and dancing will make you feel better tooSmile

9:14 am
November 13, 2008


Esther

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Hi Keith,

I am having some pain in my big toes but not sure if it is gout or my UA is up. Maybe you can help. I emailed my doctor but he is out of town.

The outside edges of both big toes next to the toe nail are red and shiny & slightly swollen. It feels like I have been walking in shoes that are too tight. No other areas has swelling or pain.

I had this symptom before when I was off Allopurinol. It lasted for over 2 weeks. I had this symptom again about 2 1/2 weeks ago after I eat a hamburger(first burger in over 4 months). It lasted a little less than 1 week.

Last Saturday, I went out for dinner and ate Chicken Masala with pasta. My toes got red & painful that night. It is still red & painful. I am still on Allopurinol & Colchicine as stated in earlier posting.

I drink at least 8 glasses of water + 2 cups of tea  a day. I eat very small portiion of chicken, fish or pork and lots of vegetable & fruits. 2 days a week I eat only vegetable soup and Quinoa salad. No meat.

What do you think? Gout or something else. Any suggestion to get rid of the pain? Thank you.

8:45 am
November 14, 2008


GoutPal

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posts 176

Sounds like a typical gout flare to me. This is to be expected until you get rid of all uric acid crystals in your body. As I said earlier, this can take a few months, and it is the reason why you take colchicine at the same time as allopurinol.

It is important not to stop the allopurinol. Also, you should be scheduled for frequent uric acid tests until your uric acid level is maintained belw 6mg/dL.

If the colchicine is not effective enough in relieving all the gout flares you are experiencing, then you should see your doctor for advice - don't take extra pain relief without consulting your doctor first.

The ice therapy I've included on my Gout Pain Relief page might help you. Also, avoid tight fitting footwear (including socks/stockings), and try to keep your joints warm at all times (except during the ice treatment).

Don't get hung up on the food too much. A sensible diet, with gradual weight loss if appropriate, is all you need to do. Specific foods are unlikely to cause problems if you are taking allopurinol - I think you're just suffering from the natural tendency to associate food with gout flares. It's probably just coincidence.

7:58 pm
November 14, 2008


Esther

Guest

Thanks for your advice.

I did get a reply from my rheumatologist and he told me that it is not goutrelated. He suggest that I have nail infection from wearing tight shoes! I don't even wear shoes on a regular basis.

I thought he was excellent doctor. But after seeing his reply, I have my doubts now. I am scheduled for a follow-up RA test during the first weekin December and appt to see him a few days later. I am having pictures of my toes taken and will show it to him.

I feel that the redness & pain in my toes are small gout flares or at least it is food-related. I trust your advice more than my doctors. I really appreciate all the information on your website. Thanks again.


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