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10:16 pm
June 11, 2009
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trev
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Interesting, your info on SUA as a health protector, in the first instance -as an antioxidant .
As antioxidants are never long out of the news as 'good for everything'- I wonder if there is interaction possible in the controlling of UA-
For instance- I take Omega3 supplements and these actually are oxidising in their action- even though they are very useful for heart, eyes and brain! I learnt this only recently.
Could this actually help in preventing or treating a gout attack?
I have to note that they are far from cheap for top quality pharma grade (nil mercury,dioxins etc.) @ about 50p/1$ a day.
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7:55 am
June 12, 2009
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zip2play
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The word “anti-oxidant” is a marketing scam.
Basically, in chemistry an “anti-oxidant” is a reducing agent, something that gets oxidized. Several very common anti-oxidants are therefore wood, coal, and gasoline.
A very good antioxidant is also hydrogen cyanide gas…one whiff and all oxidation stops. Same can be said for a guillotine.
When I hear a doctor prattle the word, I get frightened about how mucjh damage someone so stupid can do to his patients.
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10:44 am
June 12, 2009
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trev
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Post edited 3:45 pm – June 12, 2009 by trev
That does seem guilt by association Zip, tbh !
The result of our necessary burning up all things needed to get/ & keep us humans going is the production of free radicals, especially with all the pollution etc hanging around in one form or another today. These are best mopped up and anti-oxidants are just the thing to do it.
I'm not suggesting they are good for all & in any amount- so I think your response a bit heavy.
My question was exactly the opposite- where the good side of SUA has become misaliigned in humans and therefore could be made less active by having something else to concentrate on, like Omega3 essential oils- which are, in any case, well out of kilter with Omega6 & 9 in our modern diets.
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4:37 am
June 13, 2009
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zip2play said:
A very good antioxidant is also hydrogen cyanide gas…one whiff and all oxidation stops. Same can be said for a guillotine.
You often raise a chuckle. This got the full belly laugh.
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12:10 pm
June 13, 2009
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zip2play
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The resuts of burning are carbon dioxide and water…not free radicals.
The major free radical in the body is the nascent oxygen radical and that is what oxidises our food…plain old gaseous O2 is useless until it is broken into potent [O]! There is no need to mop up free radicals, they react with the first reducing agent they touch…in fact they really don't come into being until required for the desired reaction.
People claiming this and that chemical “eliminates free radicals” and are “antioxidants” are snake oil salesmen. They are talking nonsense…and its particularly sad when a doctor spouts the foolishness.
In the body, EVERYTHING is either an oxidzing agent, a reducing agent, or neither.
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1:20 am
June 14, 2009
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I’d hate to encourage snake oil salesmen, but what about the logic that, as uric acid is our most potent reducing agent, the intake of more reducing agents might influence our bodies to stop producing excess uric acid?
I do not believe this will have a huge impact for seriously high uric acid levels, but if it takes someone down from 7.5 to 6.5, this might be enough.
Clearly it is only a small part of a much bigger picture, but there does appear to be a wealth of research that shows that several weak organic acids have benefits for inflammation, and some pointers that they help reduce uric acid.
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2:16 am
June 14, 2009
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trev
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I was thinking more along the lines that taking a dietary oxidiser may, rather than encourage a increase in UA, might just counterbalance the action in the body- but given the dynamics,
it's likely it would NOT help- from opinion here anyway.
Of course, it could do both and simply end up 'recycling' the UA instead…
On the broader question – a timely piece of first class medical research on Reservatrol in Red wine-
http://www.express.co.uk/posts…..-it-linger
Savour both the article and the wine for full effect  -nothing to do with snake oil !
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3:16 am
June 14, 2009
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I thought you’d linked to the wrong newspaper, then I spotted it down the right hand column – Diana coroner is honoured
Sorry folks non-gout UK in joke – still going after all these years
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9:43 am
June 14, 2009
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Your mouth absorbs 100 times more resveratrol – the healthy compound contained in red wine – than your stomach.
Gotta wonder what happpens to the resveratrol that is gulped rather than savored and swirled. Unless the laws of chemistry and physics are revised it's gotta be peed out, sweated out, or $%@^ out!
Sounds like a well written wine ad paid for Chateau Mouton Rothchild! I workled for me becasue I have a strong urge for a nice big Bordeaux right now…or California Cardboard, vintage March.
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6:18 am
June 15, 2009
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trev
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zip2play said:
Gotta wonder what happpens to the resveratrol that is gulped rather than savored and swirled. Unless the laws of chemistry and physics are revised it's gotta be peed out, sweated out, or $%@^ out!
From the article, it states:
Resveratrol is largely inactivated by the gut or liver before it reaches the blood stream…
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