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Self surgery and gout….

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3:34 pm
December 28, 2009


BartMan

Toe Torture (status changes after 50 posts)

New Zealand

posts 5

HI, new here, and what a great site!


A bit about me, 38 years old, and first got 'the gout' about five or six years ago – both big toes in the toe, not at the joint where the toe meets the foot.


Anyway, when I forst got Gout, weighed in at about 120kg, and was on aluprinol etc, but am on no medication now, as have lost a heap of weight – currently 93kg, and have taken up bodybuilding in the last year, so weight goes down to 78kg on compeition day (will be more now after a good off season, but I digress).


Anyway, I dropped a weight plate the other day, it rolled along the floor, and then fell on my right big toe, whcih since swelled like a ballon – first serious gout pain for a loooong time.


So being a typical Kiwi bloke, (and having done this before), I got a needle out, poked the toe (you have to do two holes I have found out, one doesn't do the trick), and squeezed – with the 'tiny white maggots' coming out in droves – the uric acid crystals I assume?


My doctor has previously cut the toe open and pulled out heaps of is it called tophus (I love google, have found out heaps on this, and found this site in fact) – so I poke the needle into the scar, one at each end.


At this stage, no infection, no pain in the toe, as the pressure is gone, and draining the gunk twice a day.


So anyone else tried the self surgery method…?!?

http://www.oversize.co.nz

10:54 pm
December 28, 2009


vegetarianGuy

Tophi Terror

Europe

posts 358

Post edited 5:00 am – December 29, 2009 by vegetarianGuy


Photos or it did not happen :-)

Least you should do is disinfect the needle before doing such things. I have a tiny lump or cyst accordign to Google in my ear lobe for last few months. Non Gout related I hope and am tempted to stick the needle in and see what if anything comes out.

I don’t want to cut my foot off any more! Thank you LORD ALLOPURINOL (fingers crossed)

2:46 am
December 29, 2009


BartMan

Toe Torture (status changes after 50 posts)

New Zealand

posts 5

lol, I'll take some photos tomorrow at my lunchtime 'squeeze'!!


Good dark red blood still coming out at the squeeze too, and no hot infection feeling.  No doubt local doc will have a good laugh if I do come down with an infection, but touch wood, cross fingers and all that, I won't!!


and my left toe, which never got as deformed is still good as gold.

http://www.oversize.co.nz

5:13 am
December 29, 2009


GoutPal

Admin

Baildon, Yorkshire

posts 1171

OwSurprised

I always suspected too many sheep would drive a man crazy.

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7:33 am
December 29, 2009


zip2play

Member

posts 1213

I've done it with a thumb,


PLEASE be careful…if you get an infection in that joint you will be SO sorry. Clean area with soap and water and alcohol before poking and then rub on an antibiotic cream afterwards.


I always suspected too many sheep would drive a man crazy.

Depends on what you use them for.

10:01 am
December 29, 2009


cjeezy

Tophi Terror

posts 343

BartMan said:


My doctor has previously cut the toe open and pulled out heaps of is it called tophus (I love google, have found out heaps on this, and found this site in fact) – so I poke the needle into the scar, one at each end.


Seriously, you're only 38 and already had surgery to remove tophi? Ouch that sucks!!!

10:39 am
December 29, 2009


Richard Bell

Swollen Joints

New York City

posts 82

Guess I’m just lucky but I haven’t had to do surgery on the tophi on my toe and ears. At the height of my attack they had openings of their own that the crystals and brownish liquid drained out of without any help on my part. Now the tophi on my ears are gone and the hole in the tophi on my toe has healed and the tophi is greatly reduced in size. I did use antibacterial cream on them while they were draining. I’m on 80mg of Uloric and drink about 5 liters of water a day. I also take a half teaspoon of baking soda in 8oz of water before going to bed and after five months I am now improving greatly.

1:26 pm
December 29, 2009


hansinnm

Tophi Terror

Cochiti Lake, New Mexico, USA

posts 175

Post edited 7:26 pm – December 29, 2009 by hansinnm


BartMan said:

So anyone else tried the self surgery method…?!?


BartMan, yeah, you got company in your boat. I had first a friend doing the needle poking trick, but then I did it myself for several days on my right index finger, ( after a couple of weeks of not even been able to hold a piece of paper between thumb and index finger. Whole right hand was out of commission for more than 4 weeks, swollen like a balloon with 4 out of 5 fingers in pain, having joined The Untouchables.) I'll get you a photo, vegieGuy, of what my finger looks like today

To put your minds at rest, vegieGuy and zip, my gas stove does a beautiful job of disinfecting a needle, almost as good as UT.

I performed a second brain-surgical job on my right foot bunion  a week ago, which is now bigger than when it was first surgically removed 15 years ago. Only problem: Brain was lacking. Didn't have BartMan's brain to pock two holes into the accumulation of diamonds, I mean, uric acid crystals. But Mother Nature, smarter than I, came to my rescue. She only needed ONE hole to squeeze the  'tiny white maggots' out in droves.

 And again guys no worry, so far no infection. I got one of Mother Nature's own antiseptic concoction, engineered by me: a volcanic ckay (Ca Bentonite=Montmorillonite [this is another can of worms, I better not open here]), grapeseed oil, and dist. water. This paste keeps the bugs out and the maggots in till I let them out again during the day time.

Short interruption: I just removed pad with paste and the photos should show Mother Nature's power at work.

GP, how can I get a photo on here?

3:06 pm
December 29, 2009


BartMan

Toe Torture (status changes after 50 posts)

New Zealand

posts 5

Hey Cjeezy – I am guessing about the tophi – does that have to be hard – or the 'tiny white maggots', as that is all that he found in there.


Glad I am not the only desperate man with a needle.  Yes, I clean and use antiseptic creams etc too, and keeping touching wood, no infections, no pain, and another good eruption this morning.  I must be a goul, or should have been a doctor, I love this 'self treatment' – whcih is a bonus, something 'good' out of this bad situation!!


although looking at all the photos on google has been turning my stomach  – there is always someone worse off than you, in everything in life eh!

http://www.oversize.co.nz

9:16 pm
December 29, 2009


BartMan

Toe Torture (status changes after 50 posts)

New Zealand

posts 5

and this battle is won – no longer red and angry looking, and nothing left to squeeze outLaugh


so this battle is won, this time.  Must be more careful with the weights in future, as this was just dumb – from the weight to the needles…!!

http://www.oversize.co.nz

2:00 am
December 30, 2009


GoutPal

Admin

Baildon, Yorkshire

posts 1171

hansinnm said:

GoutPal, how can I get a photo on here?


How to upload pictures (tech stuff forum)

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3:11 am
December 30, 2009


phofab

Swollen Joints

Western Australia

posts 84

Post edited 9:11 am – December 30, 2009 by phofab


Bartman, Poor old GP, now he is dealing with two odd bods from the  lands down under. The other Northern Hemisphere bods, will be doing on going Wikipedia searches for word meanings.

Have a look at my Epsom Salts bath trick under Cures, posted today. I don't intend to attempt the needle trick, I'll leave that to you.Laugh

10:04 am
December 30, 2009


zip2play

Member

posts 1213

Post edited 4:09 pm – December 30, 2009 by zip2play


No,


Tophi do not have to be hard, firm though. THey tend to blanche white for a moment or two when presseed.

 THe crystals are mixed with pus, joint fluid, fat and the result is something slippery and creamy almost like a thick white salve. THat's been my experience. Is that how you would decribe your “maggots?”


I will soon attack a small one on my little finger (my only known remaining tophus, at least that is visible.) But not to sound like a broken record there are three words to remember: STERILE, STERILE, and STERILE. I also would never go INTO a joint but rather wait until the tophus rises to just under the skin and looks like it is TRYING to get out. Picture coming as soon as I go shopping and find time to set up the camera.

4:16 pm
December 30, 2009


BartMan

Toe Torture (status changes after 50 posts)

New Zealand

posts 5

ok, must not have been tophus then – as nothing coming to the surface (like the photos I have been seeing on google), just deep inside the bunion after I poke!  Clear fluid filled with the 'maggots' is the norm.


I'll have to take some photos next time – although last time was a few yearas ago, lets hope next time will be a few years too!

http://www.oversize.co.nz

8:29 pm
December 30, 2009


JohnnyBrew

Toe Torture (status changes after 50 posts)

Colorado Springs

posts 18

Just the word “maggots” makes me cringe.Yell


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