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		<title>By: GoutPal</title>
		<link>http://www.gout-pal.com/uric-acid-and-blood-pressure-medication/2009/06/#comment-2660</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 08:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Accuretic is hydrochlorothiazide and quinapril. It commonly causes gout.

You should go back to your doctor and discuss alternatives. Ask your doctor if the furosemide and losartan combination is suitable for you (taken separately with a few hours gap).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Accuretic is hydrochlorothiazide and quinapril. It commonly causes gout.</p>
<p>You should go back to your doctor and discuss alternatives. Ask your doctor if the furosemide and losartan combination is suitable for you (taken separately with a few hours gap).</p>
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		<title>By: GoutPal</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 08:37:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Resperate is a paced breathing device. There are a couple of studies on it that show completely different results.

&quot;Device-Guided Breathing to Lower Blood Pressure: Case Report and Clinical Overview&quot; by William J Elliot reports positive results, but &quot;Effect of device-guided breathing exercises on blood pressure in hypertensive patients with type 2 diabetes mellitus: a randomized controlled trial.&quot; reports no significant difference.

The device is supposed to control your breathing to 10 breaths per minute, but according to the second study I mentioned, 40% of people did not achieve this.

I would certainly try controlling my breathing without a device before spending money on one.

The bigger issue, is whether controlled breathing will actually affect blood pressure. There are many causes of high blood pressure, and it would be irresponsible to try it without proper medical consultation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Resperate is a paced breathing device. There are a couple of studies on it that show completely different results.</p>
<p>&#8220;Device-Guided Breathing to Lower Blood Pressure: Case Report and Clinical Overview&#8221; by William J Elliot reports positive results, but &#8220;Effect of device-guided breathing exercises on blood pressure in hypertensive patients with type 2 diabetes mellitus: a randomized controlled trial.&#8221; reports no significant difference.</p>
<p>The device is supposed to control your breathing to 10 breaths per minute, but according to the second study I mentioned, 40% of people did not achieve this.</p>
<p>I would certainly try controlling my breathing without a device before spending money on one.</p>
<p>The bigger issue, is whether controlled breathing will actually affect blood pressure. There are many causes of high blood pressure, and it would be irresponsible to try it without proper medical consultation.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 01:06:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Penny: You may want to take a look at a product called resperate. I recently bought one so I am still in the first couple months. Look it up and READ about it and make up your own mind. I would be glad to let you no how it works in another month or 2 if you would like. Tying to help not advertise GP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Penny: You may want to take a look at a product called resperate. I recently bought one so I am still in the first couple months. Look it up and READ about it and make up your own mind. I would be glad to let you no how it works in another month or 2 if you would like. Tying to help not advertise GP.</p>
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		<title>By: Penny Douven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Penny Douven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 21:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My doctor just put me on Accuretic for hypertension and I am concerend whether it will cause falr-ups of gout? I have 2 attacks in 6 years and this concerns me as I have kept the gout at bay without any medications, ie Allipurinol or Colichine...Will Accuretic cause gout???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My doctor just put me on Accuretic for hypertension and I am concerend whether it will cause falr-ups of gout? I have 2 attacks in 6 years and this concerns me as I have kept the gout at bay without any medications, ie Allipurinol or Colichine&#8230;Will Accuretic cause gout???</p>
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		<title>By: trev</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 12:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Whether these results would apply to individuals with long-established hypertension or to people with “normal” serum urate values are questions that deserve answers. : &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This  article is exactly my response to this report, a while back.
I have wondered the same, especially as young people will not have the negative co- factors that older people generally tend to have [I won&#039;t list them].
The treatments for Hi BP are well known for only partial effectiveness (Ive seen 30% full success &#039;back to normal&#039; mentioned) against this remarkably high result. 
Whether this effect can be sustained longterm is another matter. 
BP. meds. are notorious, also ,for losing their effectivness over time, and then being rested/restarted later- or switched to another type to maintain some relief from the BP going high or their side effects.
My hopes are quite high on this work being  followed up- but I still resist adding more meds to my armoury- Yet!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><strong>Whether these results would apply to individuals with long-established hypertension or to people with “normal” serum urate values are questions that deserve answers. : </strong></p></blockquote>
<p>This  article is exactly my response to this report, a while back.<br />
I have wondered the same, especially as young people will not have the negative co- factors that older people generally tend to have [I won't list them].<br />
The treatments for Hi BP are well known for only partial effectiveness (Ive seen 30% full success &#8216;back to normal&#8217; mentioned) against this remarkably high result.<br />
Whether this effect can be sustained longterm is another matter.<br />
BP. meds. are notorious, also ,for losing their effectivness over time, and then being rested/restarted later- or switched to another type to maintain some relief from the BP going high or their side effects.<br />
My hopes are quite high on this work being  followed up- but I still resist adding more meds to my armoury- Yet!</p>
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		<title>By: STP</title>
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		<dc:creator>STP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 01:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is slightly different explanation as in the article:
Hyperuricemia and Gout - New Insights into Pathogenesis and Treatment
from:
Bulletin of the NYU Hospital for Joint Diseases 2007;65(3):215-21

Given these observations, the long-appreciated association
between hyperuricemia and hypertension begins to take on
an appearance of cause-and-effect. The question logically
follows: might lowering serum urate provide a therapy for
essential hypertension? Johnson’s group performed a small,
open-label proof of principle study to test that hypothesis.
They enrolled five adolescents with documented essential
hypertension, all with serum urates of 6.0 mg/dL or above,
in a 10-week trial. For the first 4 weeks, all of the patients
received allopurinol, 200 mg BID. The remaining 6 weeks
were a washout period. Blood pressure was measured before
the administration of allopurinol, at the end of the four-week
treatment course, and at the end of the washout period. After
4 weeks of allopurinol therapy, all five patients demonstrated
lowered blood pressure, with four of the five in the normal
range. After the washout period, all five had significant
increases of their blood pressures back toward their initial
starting values.21 A larger blinded study is ongoing. These
data suggest that urate can positively regulate human blood
pressure, and that interventions to lower urate may be of
value. Whether these results would apply to individuals with
long-established hypertension or to people with “normal”
serum urate values are questions that deserve answers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is slightly different explanation as in the article:<br />
Hyperuricemia and Gout &#8211; New Insights into Pathogenesis and Treatment<br />
from:<br />
Bulletin of the NYU Hospital for Joint Diseases 2007;65(3):215-21</p>
<p>Given these observations, the long-appreciated association<br />
between hyperuricemia and hypertension begins to take on<br />
an appearance of cause-and-effect. The question logically<br />
follows: might lowering serum urate provide a therapy for<br />
essential hypertension? Johnson’s group performed a small,<br />
open-label proof of principle study to test that hypothesis.<br />
They enrolled five adolescents with documented essential<br />
hypertension, all with serum urates of 6.0 mg/dL or above,<br />
in a 10-week trial. For the first 4 weeks, all of the patients<br />
received allopurinol, 200 mg BID. The remaining 6 weeks<br />
were a washout period. Blood pressure was measured before<br />
the administration of allopurinol, at the end of the four-week<br />
treatment course, and at the end of the washout period. After<br />
4 weeks of allopurinol therapy, all five patients demonstrated<br />
lowered blood pressure, with four of the five in the normal<br />
range. After the washout period, all five had significant<br />
increases of their blood pressures back toward their initial<br />
starting values.21 A larger blinded study is ongoing. These<br />
data suggest that urate can positively regulate human blood<br />
pressure, and that interventions to lower urate may be of<br />
value. Whether these results would apply to individuals with<br />
long-established hypertension or to people with “normal”<br />
serum urate values are questions that deserve answers.</p>
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		<title>By: trev</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 16:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure what the above comment refers to- but on the original post I have a personal update.
Having taken the combo Lasix &amp; Losartan for approx 8 weeks, I realised that though with the use of other drugs my BP had at last come down my Tinnitus was persisting.
Loking at the US Drugs advice to users,I saw that tinnitus is listed as an immediate notifier to your prescriber rather than Hearing damage being a problem, usually reversible, in the UK version.
Both these drugs are Ototoxic and can seriously affect hearing as the damage is at the single dose level &gt;25mg /min in animal experiments with Furosemide (Lasix).
I&#039;ve suffered from Tinnitus for years but have no wish to lose my hearing due to drugs reactions. The list of such drugs is long and includes aspirin, which I was aware of.
My Doc seems to think I want him to decide whether to continue or not, but this is not the case.
I have reduced to a quarter dose  by taking 20 mg Furosemide every other day with 25mg Losartan that day and going back to the gout inducing Thiazide 2.5 on the other day. This way I maintain the req&#039;d water  expulsion and hopefully minimise the ear risks and the gout also.
These side effects are so utterly common- they should be called co-effects.
I have compared the reported side effects on labels with internet reporting of the same drug and it oftens jumps from 5% reported effects in drug trials to 50% - 95% on-line, being what people really get!
Anyone trying this drug therapy would be well advised to monitor the occurance and persistence of tinnitus closely.
I&#039;ll be interested to see what Zip has to say on his experiences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure what the above comment refers to- but on the original post I have a personal update.<br />
Having taken the combo Lasix &amp; Losartan for approx 8 weeks, I realised that though with the use of other drugs my BP had at last come down my Tinnitus was persisting.<br />
Loking at the US Drugs advice to users,I saw that tinnitus is listed as an immediate notifier to your prescriber rather than Hearing damage being a problem, usually reversible, in the UK version.<br />
Both these drugs are Ototoxic and can seriously affect hearing as the damage is at the single dose level &gt;25mg /min in animal experiments with Furosemide (Lasix).<br />
I&#8217;ve suffered from Tinnitus for years but have no wish to lose my hearing due to drugs reactions. The list of such drugs is long and includes aspirin, which I was aware of.<br />
My Doc seems to think I want him to decide whether to continue or not, but this is not the case.<br />
I have reduced to a quarter dose  by taking 20 mg Furosemide every other day with 25mg Losartan that day and going back to the gout inducing Thiazide 2.5 on the other day. This way I maintain the req&#8217;d water  expulsion and hopefully minimise the ear risks and the gout also.<br />
These side effects are so utterly common- they should be called co-effects.<br />
I have compared the reported side effects on labels with internet reporting of the same drug and it oftens jumps from 5% reported effects in drug trials to 50% &#8211; 95% on-line, being what people really get!<br />
Anyone trying this drug therapy would be well advised to monitor the occurance and persistence of tinnitus closely.<br />
I&#8217;ll be interested to see what Zip has to say on his experiences.</p>
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		<title>By: slavekp</title>
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		<dc:creator>slavekp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 01:18:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting info about the background of gout and uric acid:
[GoutPal edit: Links removed - already in the forum - topic &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gout-pal.com/gout-pal-forum/uric-acid/more-on-uric-acid/#p2174&quot;&gt;More on Uric Acid&lt;/a&gt;.]
There is small part dedicated uric acid and hypertension - what is the cause and what result.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting info about the background of gout and uric acid:<br />
[GoutPal edit: Links removed - already in the forum - topic <a href="http://www.gout-pal.com/gout-pal-forum/uric-acid/more-on-uric-acid/#p2174">More on Uric Acid</a>.]<br />
There is small part dedicated uric acid and hypertension &#8211; what is the cause and what result.</p>
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		<title>By: trev</title>
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		<dc:creator>trev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 05:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lssix can have extended clearance time in the older patient,ehich I am. 
I generally stick to 5 to 6 hours gap if possible to allow max time of working but maybe 8 would be better. 
I also take Aliskiren [DRB] which knocks bask Lasix too,so for a trial took that every other day as it has a 40 hour clearance-but now will have to go back daily as this juggling with RAAS drugs is losing my BP control as I reduce Adrenal blockers also. 
It&#039;s best to take Lasix first thing with a minimum of other meds ,I reckon.
Higher levels than I&#039;m taking are easily possible, if this is needed- but certainly check drug/drug and food /drug interactions on Drugs.com site -very useful. I&#039;m sensitive to diuretics on the gout front!
What a game it all is- but I&#039;m determined to battle through!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lssix can have extended clearance time in the older patient,ehich I am.<br />
I generally stick to 5 to 6 hours gap if possible to allow max time of working but maybe 8 would be better.<br />
I also take Aliskiren [DRB] which knocks bask Lasix too,so for a trial took that every other day as it has a 40 hour clearance-but now will have to go back daily as this juggling with RAAS drugs is losing my BP control as I reduce Adrenal blockers also.<br />
It&#8217;s best to take Lasix first thing with a minimum of other meds ,I reckon.<br />
Higher levels than I&#8217;m taking are easily possible, if this is needed- but certainly check drug/drug and food /drug interactions on Drugs.com site -very useful. I&#8217;m sensitive to diuretics on the gout front!<br />
What a game it all is- but I&#8217;m determined to battle through!</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Jonsson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Jonsson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 01:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting study.  I&#039;m curious on the spacing of dosages?  A few hours = 3?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting study.  I&#8217;m curious on the spacing of dosages?  A few hours = 3?</p>
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		<title>By: trev</title>
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		<dc:creator>trev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 11:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From this interesting report I found a wile back [http ver.] - 
revisiting it I realised it comments on Zip salt issue and in fact needs a low salt person to get the result. Strange as Lasix is supposed to not reduce salt itself yet enhances the use of Losartan relying on low salt condition!

http://74.125.77.132/search?q=cache:gv73IAeydXwJ:ftp.rta.nato.int/public//PubFullText/RTO/TR/RTO-TR-014///TR-014-S4-04.pdf+uric+acid+reduction+with+lasix+losarten&amp;cd=7&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk

Quote page2 : While up to 120 mg of losartan has little measurable effect
in salt-replete individuals, the systemic pressor response to angiotensin II is blocked,
from a threshold effect at 10-20 mg to a maximal effect at 80-120 mg.

In normals who were salt-depleted by
a low sodium diet plus furosemide, losartan induced
a dose-related fall in systolic and diastolic blood pressure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From this interesting report I found a wile back [http ver.] &#8211;<br />
revisiting it I realised it comments on Zip salt issue and in fact needs a low salt person to get the result. Strange as Lasix is supposed to not reduce salt itself yet enhances the use of Losartan relying on low salt condition!</p>
<p><a href="http://74.125.77.132/search?q=cache:gv73IAeydXwJ:ftp.rta.nato.int/public//PubFullText/RTO/TR/RTO-TR-014///TR-014-S4-04.pdf+uric+acid+reduction+with+lasix+losarten&amp;cd=7&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk">http://74.125.77.132/search?q=cache:gv73IAeydXwJ:ftp.rta.nato.int/public//PubFullText/RTO/TR/RTO-TR-014///TR-014-S4-04.pdf+uric+acid+reduction+with+lasix+losarten&amp;cd=7&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk</a></p>
<p>Quote page2 : While up to 120 mg of losartan has little measurable effect<br />
in salt-replete individuals, the systemic pressor response to angiotensin II is blocked,<br />
from a threshold effect at 10-20 mg to a maximal effect at 80-120 mg.</p>
<p>In normals who were salt-depleted by<br />
a low sodium diet plus furosemide, losartan induced<br />
a dose-related fall in systolic and diastolic blood pressure.</p>
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		<title>By: trev</title>
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		<dc:creator>trev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 12:58:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zip- Is there an optimal time space between Lasix and Losartan? No one seems to know...
Lasix has a 2Hr half life and Losartan half-life is 2 hours and its active metabolite half-life is 6 to 9 hours, reaching peak concentrations in l hour and 3-4 hours respectively.
If this split time regime is good for SUA level lowering, then maybe a twice a day approach- on half doses of both could work?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zip- Is there an optimal time space between Lasix and Losartan? No one seems to know&#8230;<br />
Lasix has a 2Hr half life and Losartan half-life is 2 hours and its active metabolite half-life is 6 to 9 hours, reaching peak concentrations in l hour and 3-4 hours respectively.<br />
If this split time regime is good for SUA level lowering, then maybe a twice a day approach- on half doses of both could work?</p>
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		<title>By: Gout Sufferer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gout Sufferer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 16:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;strong&gt;malik says: &lt;/strong&gt;uric acid control&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

What does that mean?

Are you seeking uric acid control, offering it, or advising it? 

Do you know something about uric acid and blood pressure medication that you can share with the rest of us?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><strong>malik says: </strong>uric acid control</p></blockquote>
<p>What does that mean?</p>
<p>Are you seeking uric acid control, offering it, or advising it? </p>
<p>Do you know something about uric acid and blood pressure medication that you can share with the rest of us?</p>
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		<title>By: malik</title>
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		<dc:creator>malik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 09:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>uric acid control</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>uric acid control</p>
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		<title>By: GoutPal</title>
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		<dc:creator>GoutPal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 03:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If these &quot;knots&quot; are uric acid deposits then it is unusual, but not impossible, for there to be no associated painful joint swelling. Best to get them checked out ASAP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If these &#8220;knots&#8221; are uric acid deposits then it is unusual, but not impossible, for there to be no associated painful joint swelling. Best to get them checked out ASAP.</p>
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		<title>By: David Stillwagon</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Stillwagon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 02:48:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I take a diuretic for meniere&#039;s  disease and in the past few months I have seen small knots in my fingers and toes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I take a diuretic for meniere&#8217;s  disease and in the past few months I have seen small knots in my fingers and toes.</p>
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		<title>By: trev</title>
		<link>http://www.gout-pal.com/uric-acid-and-blood-pressure-medication/2009/06/#comment-1866</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 03:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has anyone any experience on the optimal time lapse between Lasix and Losartan?
I gather the clearance time for Lasix (furosemide) is 6 hours would this then be the best time to follow with the Losartan or do they actually work together for lowering uric acid sometime in between taking simultaneously and the diuretic clearing some hours later?

If this is such a useful protocol- and I hope it works for me, it&#039;s possible half doses taken twice daily, with the requisite gap between them, could be doubly helpful too! 
Both tablets are &#039;splittable&#039; , btw.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone any experience on the optimal time lapse between Lasix and Losartan?<br />
I gather the clearance time for Lasix (furosemide) is 6 hours would this then be the best time to follow with the Losartan or do they actually work together for lowering uric acid sometime in between taking simultaneously and the diuretic clearing some hours later?</p>
<p>If this is such a useful protocol- and I hope it works for me, it&#8217;s possible half doses taken twice daily, with the requisite gap between them, could be doubly helpful too!<br />
Both tablets are &#8217;splittable&#8217; , btw.</p>
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		<title>By: trev</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 05:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This article is a very useful overview of drug induced gout and also covers other issues like incidence of rates with specific drugs &amp; conditions. I have provided the browser cache  from Google
http://74.125.77.132/search?q=cache:_-HOZRbXbAEJ:www.pharmacists.ca/content/cpjpdfs/july_august06/Drug-Induced.pdf+Lasix+Losartan+uricemia&amp;cd=3&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk
I&#039;ve not seen this as well presented elsewhere and the article is quite concise compared to many.
Quite a few points echo what has been stated on Goutpal -often I see data that seems new and surprising and, later, I find it has been around for ages and just not filtering through.
Goutpal seems to address this well as more and more sufferers are taking things into their own hands and refusing to be led around for ever.
Just like politics lately...  ;~/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article is a very useful overview of drug induced gout and also covers other issues like incidence of rates with specific drugs &amp; conditions. I have provided the browser cache  from Google<br />
<a href="http://74.125.77.132/search?q=cache:_-HOZRbXbAEJ:www.pharmacists.ca/content/cpjpdfs/july_august06/Drug-Induced.pdf+Lasix+Losartan+uricemia&amp;cd=3&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk">http://74.125.77.132/search?q=cache:_-HOZRbXbAEJ:www.pharmacists.ca/content/cpjpdfs/july_august06/Drug-Induced.pdf+Lasix+Losartan+uricemia&amp;cd=3&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk</a><br />
I&#8217;ve not seen this as well presented elsewhere and the article is quite concise compared to many.<br />
Quite a few points echo what has been stated on Goutpal -often I see data that seems new and surprising and, later, I find it has been around for ages and just not filtering through.<br />
Goutpal seems to address this well as more and more sufferers are taking things into their own hands and refusing to be led around for ever.<br />
Just like politics lately&#8230;  ;~/</p>
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		<title>By: trev</title>
		<link>http://www.gout-pal.com/uric-acid-and-blood-pressure-medication/2009/06/#comment-1850</link>
		<dc:creator>trev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 11:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The hospital consultant was very straight on tbh. He had not heard of the &#039;combo&#039; being useful for Hypertension/Gout- but we had a good head to head about BP treatment issues ,and I think he accepted what I said in good faith. 
I am  fairly confident and read up on what bothers me, like a lot online and here.
He said two things that were new to me- 
One that diuretics are dropped too easily (gout and other side effects ,I suppose) and  also that other issues like Hyperlipids and pre-diabetes are far less important to ongoing good health than the bad effects of continuing high BP. 
Gout would probably fall into the same camp- though I&#039;ve never found this ailment treated lightly by medics, even if it is low profile. 
Possibly just a lack of focus- in a sufferer catchment naturally hitting their later years.
Also -I see increasing awareness of high SUA as implicated in many other illnesses and maybe this will help gout sufferers by default, in time.
I did subsequently forward the Japanese link to him.
Finally ,my thoughts on this topic align with yours in gout treatment, viz: the ongoing need to monitor blood electrolytes on diuretics and combinations of them -in the same way as should be &#039;de rigour&#039; for Allopurinol treatment in gout. 
This may affect resource decisions around the &#039;early dropping&#039; of ongoing diuretic use in high BP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The hospital consultant was very straight on tbh. He had not heard of the &#8216;combo&#8217; being useful for Hypertension/Gout- but we had a good head to head about BP treatment issues ,and I think he accepted what I said in good faith.<br />
I am  fairly confident and read up on what bothers me, like a lot online and here.<br />
He said two things that were new to me-<br />
One that diuretics are dropped too easily (gout and other side effects ,I suppose) and  also that other issues like Hyperlipids and pre-diabetes are far less important to ongoing good health than the bad effects of continuing high BP.<br />
Gout would probably fall into the same camp- though I&#8217;ve never found this ailment treated lightly by medics, even if it is low profile.<br />
Possibly just a lack of focus- in a sufferer catchment naturally hitting their later years.<br />
Also -I see increasing awareness of high SUA as implicated in many other illnesses and maybe this will help gout sufferers by default, in time.<br />
I did subsequently forward the Japanese link to him.<br />
Finally ,my thoughts on this topic align with yours in gout treatment, viz: the ongoing need to monitor blood electrolytes on diuretics and combinations of them -in the same way as should be &#8216;de rigour&#8217; for Allopurinol treatment in gout.<br />
This may affect resource decisions around the &#8216;early dropping&#8217; of ongoing diuretic use in high BP.</p>
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		<title>By: GoutPal</title>
		<link>http://www.gout-pal.com/uric-acid-and-blood-pressure-medication/2009/06/#comment-1849</link>
		<dc:creator>GoutPal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 09:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>

&lt;blockquote&gt;Well, I ‘ve got the go ahead to try this combo.&lt;/blockquote&gt;



Out of interest, did this need persuasion, or was you doc already aware of the benefits of this combo?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Well, I ‘ve got the go ahead to try this combo.</p></blockquote>
<p>Out of interest, did this need persuasion, or was you doc already aware of the benefits of this combo?</p>
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		<title>By: trev</title>
		<link>http://www.gout-pal.com/uric-acid-and-blood-pressure-medication/2009/06/#comment-1848</link>
		<dc:creator>trev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 04:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I &#039;ve got the go ahead to try this combo. I&#039;ll keep you posted but it will take some weeks to see any results from previous experience and I&#039;m taking  it easy on dose size.
Diuretics are so implicated in Gout causation- that this one exception is really noteable , and if generally successful and used more widely in time ,will remove a lot of gout misery.
I intend to continually assess my diet, fluid intake etc. in the process and the gout connection could take months to verify
( Hopefully !!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I &#8216;ve got the go ahead to try this combo. I&#8217;ll keep you posted but it will take some weeks to see any results from previous experience and I&#8217;m taking  it easy on dose size.<br />
Diuretics are so implicated in Gout causation- that this one exception is really noteable , and if generally successful and used more widely in time ,will remove a lot of gout misery.<br />
I intend to continually assess my diet, fluid intake etc. in the process and the gout connection could take months to verify<br />
( Hopefully !!)</p>
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		<title>By: trev</title>
		<link>http://www.gout-pal.com/uric-acid-and-blood-pressure-medication/2009/06/#comment-1793</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 18:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thiazides are diuretics of which I was taking Bendromethfluthiazide for many years - up to 5mg dropping back to 2.5 when gout presented itself a few years back.
I finally stopped this drug last year but it took 6 weeks to stablilise BP but not low enough so I lost my self employment due to failing a medical.
I got onto Losarten after seeing reports of the UA lowering effect. This drug was stopped later - but if I&#039;d known of the added effect of taking staggered Furosemide -I would have switched to that by choice. 
They seem to potentiate each other if taken apart and this is new to me.
Buffering refers to the acid lowering effect that indicates.
Angiotensin2 antagionists[Losarten] , inhibitors and blockers are all drugs acting on the circulation directly by expanding arteries and I take both the latter now.
I suppose one question is- does this diuretic Furosemide have a wider role with all such drugs?
I suppose this topic should now move to the forum -but I have little more to add  right now.
I&#039;m not a medic either- but it pays to take an interest...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thiazides are diuretics of which I was taking Bendromethfluthiazide for many years &#8211; up to 5mg dropping back to 2.5 when gout presented itself a few years back.<br />
I finally stopped this drug last year but it took 6 weeks to stablilise BP but not low enough so I lost my self employment due to failing a medical.<br />
I got onto Losarten after seeing reports of the UA lowering effect. This drug was stopped later &#8211; but if I&#8217;d known of the added effect of taking staggered Furosemide -I would have switched to that by choice.<br />
They seem to potentiate each other if taken apart and this is new to me.<br />
Buffering refers to the acid lowering effect that indicates.<br />
Angiotensin2 antagionists[Losarten] , inhibitors and blockers are all drugs acting on the circulation directly by expanding arteries and I take both the latter now.<br />
I suppose one question is- does this diuretic Furosemide have a wider role with all such drugs?<br />
I suppose this topic should now move to the forum -but I have little more to add  right now.<br />
I&#8217;m not a medic either- but it pays to take an interest&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: zip2play</title>
		<link>http://www.gout-pal.com/uric-acid-and-blood-pressure-medication/2009/06/#comment-1792</link>
		<dc:creator>zip2play</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 18:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My history was gout CAUSED by thiazide diuretics after taking them several years.
Just a teeny background on hypertension: There are basically two types and most doctors don&#039;t recognize the distinction. THere is Renin driven 75% ( which makes angiotensin which makes angiotensin 2 which is the most potent hypertensive)  and then there are the salt driven hypertensives...the other 25%. The SALT driven (coincidentally most black races) have little benefit from any antihypertensives except diuretics. I&#039;m in that minority, albeit white.

I have read that furosemide alone is only 25% as likely to exacerbate gout than thiazide diuretics (most commonly hydrochlorothiazide.) That prompted me to switch several years ago. The major difference between the thiazides and the loop (Lasix) is the location of action in the kidney. The thiazides dump copious sodium and the water that follows it, the loop diuretic dumps WATER. (If you taste your urine the difference is astounding.)
It seems the loss of sodium cannot be accomplished without the retention of urate.

A sidebar here is that on thiazides I ALWAYS ran severely low sodium levels, to the point where doctors were concerned I was still standing...my sodium remains perfectly normal on Lasix (furosemide...the loop diuretic.)

So the glib condemnation of diuretics in learned tomes on gout is only half the story.

When I read that losartan was uricosuric, I added it hoping to at least keep my uric acid stable. What a joy to find that these kindly considerate Japanese researchers had found a way to do even better...to LOWER my uric acid.

Someday when I am brave, I will try a regimen of only the Lasix followed later by Cozaar...and stop my allopurinol for a couple months. I&#039;d have done it already but for the presence of a single tophus on my little finger. But I so dread an acute attack, pussy that I am!.

The lasix-cozaar combo gives me very good BP control...&lt;130/&lt;75</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My history was gout CAUSED by thiazide diuretics after taking them several years.<br />
Just a teeny background on hypertension: There are basically two types and most doctors don&#8217;t recognize the distinction. THere is Renin driven 75% ( which makes angiotensin which makes angiotensin 2 which is the most potent hypertensive)  and then there are the salt driven hypertensives&#8230;the other 25%. The SALT driven (coincidentally most black races) have little benefit from any antihypertensives except diuretics. I&#8217;m in that minority, albeit white.</p>
<p>I have read that furosemide alone is only 25% as likely to exacerbate gout than thiazide diuretics (most commonly hydrochlorothiazide.) That prompted me to switch several years ago. The major difference between the thiazides and the loop (Lasix) is the location of action in the kidney. The thiazides dump copious sodium and the water that follows it, the loop diuretic dumps WATER. (If you taste your urine the difference is astounding.)<br />
It seems the loss of sodium cannot be accomplished without the retention of urate.</p>
<p>A sidebar here is that on thiazides I ALWAYS ran severely low sodium levels, to the point where doctors were concerned I was still standing&#8230;my sodium remains perfectly normal on Lasix (furosemide&#8230;the loop diuretic.)</p>
<p>So the glib condemnation of diuretics in learned tomes on gout is only half the story.</p>
<p>When I read that losartan was uricosuric, I added it hoping to at least keep my uric acid stable. What a joy to find that these kindly considerate Japanese researchers had found a way to do even better&#8230;to LOWER my uric acid.</p>
<p>Someday when I am brave, I will try a regimen of only the Lasix followed later by Cozaar&#8230;and stop my allopurinol for a couple months. I&#8217;d have done it already but for the presence of a single tophus on my little finger. But I so dread an acute attack, pussy that I am!.</p>
<p>The lasix-cozaar combo gives me very good BP control&#8230;&lt;130/&lt;75</p>
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		<title>By: GoutPal</title>
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		<dc:creator>GoutPal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 17:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What on earth are Thiazides, multiple angiotensin modifiers, and a ‘buffer’role ?

I, and most of my readers, have little or no medical knowledge.

I haven&#039;t a clue how this relates to the losartan-wait-furosemide treatment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What on earth are Thiazides, multiple angiotensin modifiers, and a ‘buffer’role ?</p>
<p>I, and most of my readers, have little or no medical knowledge.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t a clue how this relates to the losartan-wait-furosemide treatment.</p>
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		<title>By: trev</title>
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		<dc:creator>trev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 16:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tried Cozaar  earlier this year having completely stopped Thiazides due to Gout. 
As the gout has persisted at reduced level and my BP stays  too high, missing the diuretic probably, I must propose this regime- as I&#039;m on multiple angiotensin modifiers anyway !
This puts Cozaar into a &#039;buffer&#039;role and nothing wrong in that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tried Cozaar  earlier this year having completely stopped Thiazides due to Gout.<br />
As the gout has persisted at reduced level and my BP stays  too high, missing the diuretic probably, I must propose this regime- as I&#8217;m on multiple angiotensin modifiers anyway !<br />
This puts Cozaar into a &#8216;buffer&#8217;role and nothing wrong in that.</p>
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